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Hillary Clinton's Blog Dilemma: Are the Grassroots Burning?

[UPDATED] topmast_hillary.jpgBlogs can be a loyal constituency, but not an unthinking one. Political bloggers tend to be passionate, idealistic about their politics, and less forgiving of the gamesmanship, issue flopping, expediency, rhetorical hedging, "message discipline," "good optics" and compromise on positions that is part of normal politicking for office.

 

New York Senator and former first Lady Hillary Clinton faces a conundrum in the face of this fact.

As January of 2006 she had the largest war chest, the highest name recognition and topped ratings in national polls of any Democrat in the pool for a possible presidential bid. Normally that would allow a candidate to "play to the middle." Susan Estrich in her book, "The Case for Hillary Clinton," argued that she was the perfect candidate because "[W]hich of your safe white men are going to excite the base the way Hillary does, so they can spend all their time in the middle? I'll answer: None."

But in fact, the base, as reflected in leftblogs, is hardly cheering the Senator from New York on. fire2vb.jpg

As Mickey Kaus comments on Estrich's point: "Exciting the base is not something Hillary Clinton has been doing a lot of lately! I doubt that the Democrats' 'base' will forgive her for her Iraq vote even if the war turns into a relative success. Suppose that happens--what's she going to do, run on a campaign of 'I told you so'? That's always a turn-on for the die-hards!"

Indeed Clinton is faring poorly among the left/dem/liberal blogs and partisans precisely because of her consistent attempt to steer a "middle" policy course and win swing voters. As one Washington Post headline put it: "Clinton Angers Left With Call for Unity: Senator Accused of Siding With Centrists." And Cindy Sheehan, the Goldstar icon of the anti-war left is calling her a "warmonger" and setting up a "camp Casey" outside HC offices. Leading the leftflank's disparagement was the King of the leftbloglands, Kos himself.

John McCain, the only republican who bests or equals Clinton in current polls faces a similar dilemma with rightblogs that think of him as too moderate and too Washington, and the worst credential of all, too popular with big media.

Politicians have always needed to balance the base and the middle. Blogs make this tension, if not more difficult, more public.

Senator Clinton's lonely "blog" entries on breast cancer for the American Cancer Society's "Blogs for Hope" are press releases rather than real posts, and very safely worded at that. Why is she not blogging more? One can imagine why: Should Hillary Clinton give a $1,000-a-plate speech that will be picked up by the networks or post a blog entry that may or may not get any big media attention?

Further, when she gives that speech, her staff can control the crowd to a great extent, organizing a friendly response; that is not possible in the bloglands. Should a frontrunner, well ahead without blog help, risk blogging at all?

Posted on Sunday, January 29, 2006 at 09:46PM by Registered Commenterdavid.d.perlmutter in | Comments32 Comments | References1 Reference

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One point I noted in Mr. Kunst's open letter is:

"as well as the organization that will prevent another Gore/Kerry fiasco".

I am a bit confused about what he is saying here. Is he talking about the failure of the party/grassroots during those campaigns and after, or is he chastizing the candidates? If the latter, then he'd both be incorrect and self-contradictory in the case of Gore in 2000. In his own words, "Gore Won, Bush Stole The Election, Democrats covered up and gave it away" (link: http://www.hillarynow.com/kunst.htm)

Hope to hear a clarification from him on it.
December 31, 2005 | Unregistered CommenterNL
Good point...I believe most leftDems that I have spoken to assume that a "real" left candidate in 2000 (or 2004) would have (a) won with a wider margin or (b) fought tougher legal battles to prove voter fraud.
December 31, 2005 | Registered Commenterdavid.d.perlmutter
hi dp,

"(a) won with a wider margin":
Clinton's impeachment/scandal made Rove's "Restoring honor and integrity" theme stick. There is quite good statistical evidence to show that Gore's primary achilles heel was indeed the scandal.

"(b) fought tougher legal battles to prove voter fraud.":
You mean before the SC verdict or after?

nl
January 1, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterNL
This is a non-partisan site, so I don't want to go too far in taking sides in such matters. I'm reporting what many leftbloggers tell me.

...but as a historian like me would put it: the "proximity cuase" of why the Dems lost in 2000 was because Gore could not win his home state; and they lost in 2004 because Edwards did not help the ticket carry his--or any place else.
January 2, 2006 | Registered Commenterdavid.d.perlmutter
This agonizing about what the "netroots" will do after Hillary has spurned them for two years is wasted energy. She is very much aware of what clout the "netroots" had in 2004.

I don't recall *any* netroots enthusiasm for Kerry in 2004. Perhaps someone can tell me why Kos (Mr 0-13) gave up so quickly on Dean when he was so "passionate" about him in the first place.

Get over yourselves. All those orange beanies with their "netroots passion" did nothing but piss off people who actually work for a living. So you wound up with Mr Electable and the ensuing debacle.

The netroot Democrats will do just what they did in 2004 -- once the adults have spoken, they'll hold their noses and get behind "their" candidate. Passion will, once again, be nothing but a way to make yourselves care long before anything actually happens.
January 2, 2006 | Unregistered Commentersmilink
The strongest argument against Hillary in the primaries will be that she can't win the general election. This very real and reasonable fear will cause a kind of accidental alliance between anti-war left liberal activists (ie, Kos and the Dean kids) together with what I call "electoral realists" (upscale moderates and centrists who may admire Hillary but don't think she can win). This coalition will form a blocking force that could allow somone like Mark Warner (never had to vote on Iraq war resolution) to gain real momentum.
January 2, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterJustwin B. Aby
The dichotomy between Washington elites and bloggers in relation to Hillary Clinton is nonsense. Democratic elites are very suspicious of Hillary Clinton and have been for years. During the last round of Hillary hysteria, there were plenty of quotes from Washington to the effect that Hillary didn't have a "winning personality" and that Democrats weren't looking for a replay of the Bill Clinton administration. I haven't seen any evidence that the DLC likes Hillary any better than they like Al Gore either.

The left-blogs and Democratic elites can nibble at Hillary Clinton all they want, but they can't beat her down because they can't create an opponent of equal stature. Right now, Hillary is the heir presumptive Democratic nominee in the same way that Ronald Reagan was heir presumptive for the Republicans in 1980 and George Bush in 1988. However, she doesn't have that status because she's been annointed by the elites. She has that status because of the credibility she built up by her conduct during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, her successful run for the New York Senate seat, and her conducting herself as a "national leader" while in the Senate. Hillary is going to be a heavy favorite for the Democatic nomination because there is nobody of comparable stature in the Democratic Party. Likewise, she'll be a formidable contender in a general election because the Republicans lack a heavyweight contender among the "true conservatives." Right now, John McCain is the only candidate out there who can give Hillary Clinton a run, but he's far more questionable in the Republican primaries than Hillary is going to be among the Democrats.
January 2, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterRic Caric
Democrats don't do "heir apparents" the way Republicans do. All the gravitas Hillary has put in the bank over the years will do her no good if people are afraid she would lose in November. It's going to be all about electoral math more than ever before. One of the great things the blogs have done is educate activists about electoral reality. They will end up backing the best November horse. Advantage Warner...
January 2, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterJustwin B. Aby
"(b) fought tougher legal battles to prove voter fraud."

You mean like in Wisconsin, where the number of fraudulent votes (from "same day registration voters" in Milwaukie) was greater than Kerry's margin of victory? Or in New Mexico, where 500 votes were "discovered", giving Gore his 364 vote margin of victory?

Or Washington, where teh Dems had the vote "counted" three times, and kept on "discovering" new votes in King County until they finally got the result they wanted in the Gov. race?

Oh, wait, those were all examples of Democrat voter fraud.

Which is the reason why no intelligent Democrat will ever make vote fraud a serious issue (i.e. try to do anything to prevent it). Because the Democrats ARE the party of vote fraud.
January 2, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterGreg D
Kos a "kingmaker of sorts"? BWAHAHAHAHA! Kos is a legend in his own mind. Mark my words, a couple more humiliating electoral defeats and Kos will end up ranting and raving on Coast to Coast AM with George Noory, Alex Jones, Bev Harris, and the rest of the alien anal-probed left.
January 2, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterI Heart Moonbats
It is an interesting question: can political blogs create a leader as well as destroy one? I would say that one thing to watch for is, like in previous cases, where blogs have fanned the fires under a politician's (or a journalist's) feet is whether big media pick up the story of "Clinton alienating base" and then it can become a perceptual snowball that accretes reality.
January 2, 2006 | Registered Commenterdavid.d.perlmutter
This is a very interesting discussion. (I was linked here by Instapundit having never seen the site). I believe the comments about Hillary's poor political instincts and the hatred of her by the Right that cannot be assuaged by any amount of triangulation are correct. I still think she will win the nomination and needs but one state Kerry did not win to be President. Remember the Democrat primaries are plurality based, not winner take all. It is hard to imagine any scenario where she is not amassing delegates early. She will have the bulk of New York's and Illinois winning by wide margins. She's perfect for the Philly suburban Dems and will likely take Pennsylvania as well. She is strong in New England even if she loses a few to a Feingold insurgency (vt?). She may be weak in the South but a divided field will not stop her from getting a third at worst in every primary there, piling up delegates. I think she will win Arkansas and Florida outright. Florida because of the condo commandos and Arkansas because Bill is Bill and if he can't do it for her he's not the pol I think he is. She will win California because she is a Star and perfectly attuned to the Hollywood zeitgeist and they love Bill. Where will Labor go? Most to her because they back winners. I see no candidate in this race to excite the African-American vote, Bill does and that will rub off on her to some extent. In short, she will have the power to lose some big ones and keep going and no one else will. Warner will have done well and hold out the possibility of flipping Virginia. He's the veep and the race is close no matter what. If McCain is not the Republican nominee she is competitive. What state will the Republicans take they did not last time? New Hampshire? Minnesota? Wisconsin? She has a shot at Ohio and Virginia. BTW I'm a pro-Bush conservative and have tried to be clear-eyed about a prospect I can only rue.
January 2, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterjjv
"What state will the Republicans take they did not last time?"

New Hampshire was decided by a couple of thousand votes. If Everything were to break the same,but the Repubs got NH and the Dems got Ohio, the Repubs would still win. Wisconsin was likely "won" by vote fraud. If the Republicans get serious about that, it could easily go Republican. Minnesota is a harder sell, but it's a pretty purple state.

Edwards couldn't get his home state for Kerry, I see no reason why we should think that Warner will get his for Hilary.

The only thing that's going to get the Democrats national wins is if they change their positions on enough issues so that they stop making the American people gag at the thought of the Dems winning. The Dem base isn't desperate enough, yet, to do that, and no one's going to believe Hilary if she claims she HAS changed her positions.

I don't know who the Republican candidate will be in 2008. But it would take a sudden discovery of intelligence by the Democrats, or great stupidity by the Republicans, for any Democrat to win in 2008. Because the majority of Americans still remember that there's a war on, and that only the Republicans want to win it.
January 2, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterGreg D
Thank you for all your thoughts: Can we all get you guys/gals in a room for CNN? I am going to refer your comments to my students as good examples of "accretive wisdom."

I think one important question is "who do bloggers represent?" See a new post above on this, and also "Are Bloggers 'The People'"? in BLOGWARS section.
January 2, 2006 | Registered Commenterdavid.d.perlmutter
Greg is right. Democrats are the party of fraudulent voters while Republicans are the party of complete and total election fraud. It is no longer enough to have two hundred people vote twice. Republicans disenfranchise thousands at a time. After purging the voting rolls and rejecting voter registrations because they are not on the correct weight of paper the use Diebold to take care of the rest.
Democrats need to move from cheating on the individual level to cheating on the institutional level if they want to win.
January 3, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterMark
i am a hillary supporter all the way. i think she is the one to really bring this counrty back to where it was when she was in the white house before. i think why she is staying low right now is because of the fact that she has to present the image that she can when the general election. kerry was too liberal for the majority of voters. and hillary will be painted just that and when people look back at her record its not so. and according to recent polls she is still poised to when the nomination. i dont see the decent as much as others do. just like every other politicion....everything she doesnt is not gold.....this flag burnning issue is not something i agree with her on....but in a board scope she repersents what i believe....and i think she will win the nom and the general election...peace
January 3, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterkev
Wow, Mark, that's a really ammusing claim. Got any facts at all to back it up?

"Purging" the rolls of people who aren't allowed to vote (you know, like Felons), isn't vote fraud, it's anti-vote fraud. We need a hell of a lot more of it, starting with getting rid of all those people who've registered to vote (and then vote) in two states at the same time (i.e. NY "snowbirds" also voting in FL).

Then there's the absentee voter fraud, and all the other fraud encouraged by the Democrats "Motor Voter" law.

What we really need is to require every voter to show valid State photo ID in order to vote. Of course, teh Dmocrats hate this idea, because it makes vote fraud so much harder to do.

If you ever want to know what groups are benefiting from vote fraud, there's a simple and foolproof way to find out: look who opposes measures that would decrease vote fraud.

In the US, that's the Democrats.
January 4, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterGreg D
i consider h."rodham" CLINTON a bigger threat to this country than bin laden. just remember that not too many years ago women weren't even allowed to vote. there was a very good reason for this. our ancestors were much wiser than the people of today.in my opinion {which i am suppossedly allowed to" women deal in emotions rather than logic.this woman again my opinion is to much in love with herself to even be in any political office.
January 19, 2006 | Unregistered Commenterj. thompson
I wouldn't exactly describe Hillary as "laying low" right now and remaining out of the public eye. Almost every time I turn on the news I see her being interviewed or hear people make comments about her running for president. She is a huge interest in the media and is definately in the spotlight of the public eye. If I were her, I would avoid the use of blogs because of the sole reason that she cannot control what other "bloggers" comments will be in return. There are definately Hilary lovers, but on the other hand, there are many Hillary haters as well. She should stick to the thousand dollar speeches with a controlled audience where she will receive a positive reaction no matter what.
January 22, 2006 | Unregistered CommenterM. Stewart
I think that Hillary Clinton is still very much in the spot light, but not necessarily because she wants to be. It would be hard for Clinton to get out of the spot light because she is in such high rankings of becoming the first woman to be the democrat nomination to run for president. I also agree with M. Stewart who said that Clinton should stick with her 1,000 dollar plate dinners instead of blogging because not only do you know know who it is that is making the comments, but with the dinners there will be ne negative feedback. If Hillary Clinton is to become the first women president then so be it, it will be the majority of Americans that vote her In and have the say of whether or not she gets to take the position. Whether Clinton is lying low or out in the spot light, she will be talk about because of who she is.
January 24, 2006 | Unregistered Commentermarandon

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